Any idea on Arum cost for the extractor ?

My Rough estimates & Guesses are:-

$20 buys 1 PLEX (excluding bulk & offers) / which equals 1 multiple training certificate that creates (standard implants) average 1.5 million skill points - Enough for 3 inject-able lots

$20 buys 3600 Aurum (excluding bulk & offers) - Divide by 3 = 1200

My best guess is 1 extractor will cost 1200 Aurum

I see a problem with this whole process.

1) First CCP should probably raise minimum SP for extraction to 12 million or 6 months subscribed pay.

Because lots of defunct short term accounts exist with unsalable non-trial toons with over 1 million in SP. Toons with less than 12M SP are normally especially hard to sell. But you can get 20+ extractions from a toon played for 6 months and only reactivated for 1 month (or just the free 3-4 hour grace period CCP grants to obtain PLEX if CCP is not careful).

Sometimes these accounts are owned by the injection profiting player from past attempts at multiple account play (almost fair recovery of costs). But I predict injections will more often come from toons and accounts friends invited who quit or others just gotten via networking.

Invite a lot of people and convince them to pay 1st month fee at very start. Lets you make sure they fill training queue. When they quit before paying 2nd month, make sure you got their account and password captured (maybe when you help them install EVE on computer). Kinda gray for CCP since these are quite likely not recruiting many long term players. But 30 day trial plus 1 month paid = roughly +3.5M SP potentially. Call it 5 extractions.




2) Beyond that massive amount of short term account toons, there are other accounts.

Hacked accounts. Now they can steal more than just ISK and assets.

Old junk toons from people who quit EVE long ago (hey buddy what was your account and password?) . EVE is what 13 years old = lots of dead toons. Same as before but toons may have lots more than 12M SP. Call up that buddy who had 150M SP but got serious GF or married and was given the ultimatum.

Heck there will be GF & wives logging on behind players backs to sell off SP when the SP extraction feature leaks to the EVE affected crowd. Would you keep playing after your GF/wife reduced your toons to 1M SP?

"Unplayable" toons that excessive ganking has -10 with every NPC and player faction/alliance. Got everyone in the world after that toon? Just move the 30% of SP that you can retain to another toon. Obtain a few toons to suck dry elsewhere.

Whoohoo - I hadn't though of that - I know several people I can phone up and ask them to use the PLEX grace period to trade some extractor and fill em-up for some cheap skill points.

Is this against the EULA ? - If it is would giving them a PLEX to make the account active before I strip-mine it be OK?

.... and at no time would I ever consider offering real life cash for them to do this trade also I would never consider advertising online for people with redundant accounts to do this as that would also be against the EULA terms

Cause you cant buy multiple toons and stockpile them into one, while you could buy multiple skill points injections and boost one single character greatly.

And SiSI will be a lot more fun since you can virtually inject infinite skill points in the event they seed the market with Skill Injectors.

And you don't even have to earn the ISK to do it - just rack it up on a credit card

- but you know - It's not REALLY pay to win
- cause you know - the skill points were earned by characters at the normal progression rate
- well except multiple training
- But you know - MCT that's not P2W cause it's all on the same account
- cause you know - it's not like you will be able to transfer or sell them
- But you know - you could have already bought each alliance member a Capital pilot at the Bazaar
- cause you know - the Bazaar is pay to win as well
- but you know - adding more pay to win things won't hurt .
- cause you know - when they introduced PLEX you could then buy anything with cash
- well everything except skill points
- cause you know - buying PLEX was pay to win - well apart from skill points t
- so - you know - lets let them also buy SP
- cause - you know - they couldn't buy skill points before
- and you know - skill points were the only thing they couldn't buy
- and - now they can

- but its OK - cause before you get to be called pay to win you would have to be able to buy everything in the game using a credit card.

From the hundreds of replies you made to the opponents on this in the previous blog - pick one about PLEX and one about SP and then reiterate your reply.

You should try WOW - Already did.
I know you would like WOW - You couldn't be more wrong. But hey, we can't go without the 0 effort WoW related replies.
Well maybe not the Permanent Legendary Weapons - You can't buy them in game Considering those have no relation to this we'll just file it under "more BS to distract from the fact that you don't have an answer"

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No you don't. You pay for the ability to log onto the server and play the game.

This has already been happening, esp. after in-game PLEX prices reached, and rose above, 1B ISK.

I know a fair number of players who cannot afford to pay for their sub with RL cash. Many of them have stopped playing in the past 6 months or so. They had been forced to spend an ever-increasing amount of their in-game time grinding ISK, in order to afford playing, and eventually decided that it was not worth it anymore.

Stating the injector cost as 0.25*PLEX+extractor is misleading. In fact because players can use in-game assets to purchase items, even game time, then the use of ISK or PLEX in any calculation automatically makes it wrong.

and ... How much did that .25 PLEX cost.... you know .... the one which cost doesn't depend on how it was purchased

wat
5b mined in a Venture in 2 weeks? How many h/day? Whats the ISK/h? What do you mine exactly?

Since the feedback was so negative and the lack of response by CCP, I thought they would back out of it. Looks like I overestimated CCPs intellectual capabilities.

Since my accounts are paid for (for a little while longer), I intend on abusing the hell out this garbage in ways CCP never imagined to show them the error of their ways.

Nice one. If CCP do not alter their marketing concept accordingly, Eve OnLIE would also come to mind.

Hard to believe they will actually go through with this. Risking their USP and the good reputation of their CEO seems reckless.

CCP's income has been steadily increasing - even with fluctuating player (sign-in) numbers they have maintained growth in subscription income even within an unstable economic environment.

You are assuming that CCP will continue to use a large proportion of EVE profits to fund R&D of Valkyrie - This seems a little redundant - I think the opposite will be the case since they got an influx of R&D funds for VR development November 2015 and the $30 million raised will sit nicely with the cash sale of code from the failed Vampire MMO (which was already a tax write-off for them due to how European tax laws work with R&D)

-- So cash for holding up Valkyrie is a non-starter as an argument

1000 AUR is not the "cheapest" price for an item in the online store.

Why do all these negative posters think that CCP is in financial trouble? They have just spent a considerable sum fully upgrading their servers. It speaks to confidence in the future.

So you get 3 extractors for a converted PLEX with about 500 left over

That's ok you can always convert the leftovers into to a 500 Aurum Token and sell it on the Market